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hyro yamaguchi · Nov 15, 2006, 05:16 PM // 17:16

I would love to know. In both this forum as the Gwonline.net forum pvp players are angry at Anet for all the recent changes in HA. But instead of listening, responding to us, Gaile ignores us, and simply states that the majority of people is happy with HA atm.

Yeah big deal if you only check the PvE forums right? Since when have PvE players become the PvP community?

And because you don't read the PvP forum, and because you don't respond to my PM asking you politely to check the pvp forum, I am posting this here, in the hope that you will actually read it.

Or is fixing the way black and grey dye looks more important to you than fixing the HA mess?

Phoenix Ex · Nov 15, 2006, 05:19 PM // 17:19

What mess? All I see are happy players being able to play in HA without spamming for 4 hours then getting kicked out just because of lower rank. Oh, and that Eles are only doing their job as a damage dealer, nothing wrong there.

Actually I do agree with you, they need to fix the mess that is HA....fix rank.

Mahanaxar · Nov 15, 2006, 05:21 PM // 17:21

PvP characters are now better in every possible way than PvE characters.
There is a PvP-only edition.
Increased faction and fame points.

Yeah, they did decide to stop caring about PvP.
Completely.

hyro yamaguchi · Nov 15, 2006, 05:23 PM // 17:23

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

What mess? All I see are happy players being able to play in HA without spamming for 4 hours then getting kicked out just because of lower rank. Oh, and that Eles are only doing their job as a damage dealer, nothing wrong there.

Actually I do agree with you, they need to fix the mess that is HA....fix rank.

Yeah everybody happy, except for the people who actually play it often w/o farming the same build over and over again.

brokenmonkey · Nov 15, 2006, 05:27 PM // 17:27

Um, they didn't? Do you remember factions?

EternalTempest · Nov 15, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

If HoH was happy and healthy, they won't of shaken things up to try to get new players to try it out (it's suppose to be end game by design originally, now you can work exclusivily within in PvP) be elitism-rank, too static builds, or rift / challenges on bringing your characters over.

Y O U Lo Se · Nov 15, 2006, 05:30 PM // 17:30

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Originally Posted by brokenmonkey

Um, they didn't? Do you remember factions?

Are you talking about GW Factions? We're not talking about skills here, we're talking about the METAGAME. Which is bad with heroes in HA, making it a PVE place and a lot of skills that need a tweak. The only thing gaile can say is: the majority likes it, watch teh polls @ pve forumzzzzzz

We just want to know if you're gonna fix things, heroes don't belong in HA, skill tweaking needs to happen FASTER.

edit: ppl start talking about rank elitism, which doesnt excist, ALL players had a hard time getting their r3, but we all got it because we were motivated. Elitism isnt the problem, new players attitude is.

Oceans Fury · Nov 15, 2006, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Fix rank? Sounds like someone who tried to IWAY to r3 and failed.

HA is a mess, plain and simple. You guys dont even play HA so wtf can you reconcile with him about? Nowadays, your just as likely to get beat by a r10+ team as you are a 1 person SF team. Granted, you can outsmart the 1 person team, the heroes are like bots, using interupts on the dot, and SF is just unbelievabley yelling for a nerf.

Increasing Faction doesnt help any of us in HA, just unlocks more skills.
Increased Fame?? Where?

Please dont agree/disagree with a subject unless you know both side of the argument, you guys obviously dont know how it feels to get ganked in an altar match by heroes and lose in the last 10 seconds.

King Kong · Nov 15, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by hyro yamaguchi

Yeah big deal if you only check the PvE forums right? Since when have PvE players become the PvP community?

And because you don't read the PvP forum, and because you don't respond to my PM asking you politely to check the pvp forum, I am posting this here, in the hope that you will actually read it.

Damn i forgot everyone who plays GW, posts on forums

hyro yamaguchi · Nov 15, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by brokenmonkey

Um, they didn't? Do you remember factions?

Resultaten behaald in het verleden bieden geen garantie voor de toekomst.

Anyway, how does factions justify the current state of the game? It doesn't. Hey: crying about black dye? It looked great in prophecies, so why complain now it looks bad?

I don't think they ignored or messed up PvE at the release of factions did they? So why do so with PvP at the release of nightfall?

oooh yeah, mess up HA real good, and give us some lame hero battles with no unique reward.

Oh and yes they did avtually not ignore PvP completely with the templates: they didn't keep the old system in PvP, but changed it together with the PvE system, hell they even made it work.

Anyway, I'm not here for a flame fest, this is a serious question to Gaile, because she, and therefore Anet altogether, ignores PvP community.

Alleji · Nov 15, 2006, 05:36 PM // 17:36

I wouldn't say anet stopped caring about PvP. I mean, they're still keeping up the GvG ladder seasons with prizes, gave us a huge update to the PvP char interface in Nightfall...

My complaint is only about HA, and I think so is yours... I'd suggest you change the thread title to address HA specifically and why anet decided to kill it with 6v6 and bots if you want it to be taken seriously and not flamed to hell and back.

This (about 3/4 down) and this (top) really shows how much anet is determined to kill HA. Gaile is dismissing these questions just like the ever-present PvE questions about extra storage, hairdressers, etc.

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Originally Posted by Phoenix Ex

What mess? All I see are happy players being able to play in HA without spamming for 4 hours then getting kicked out just because of lower rank. Oh, and that Eles are only doing their job as a damage dealer, nothing wrong there.

Actually I do agree with you, they need to fix the mess that is HA....fix rank.

And this proves my point that it's useless to post anything in Riverside, because the "majority" likes the changes. It's only the HA community that's objecting. *giant roll eyes smiley*

Arcador · Nov 15, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

The only thing that need fixing is this SF spell, that outplaces ALL fire spells by effect for cost + recharge. Beating a hero+hench team was never been so hard.

hyro yamaguchi · Nov 15, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by King Kong

Damn i forgot everyone who plays GW, posts on forums

Well in economy class they told me any enquete or research should be completely random.

I would call the entire forum community quite random. Just the PvE forum....uhm...nope.

EternalTempest · Nov 15, 2006, 05:42 PM // 17:42

hyro, you are calling for changes, and Gaile to read it but at the same type, change what?

Give some examples of things that need to be changed or reverted back?
Is it only HoH or other PvP, (Alliance Battles, Hero Battles, RA, TA, etc).

This is not a flame, the way you stated issue with pvp and not citing specific examples may cause people to feel your trying to stir the pot up without that being your intention.

XvArchonvX · Nov 15, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

Gaile Gray does not decide on how PvP will be done. She cannot wave some magic wand and make everything be exactly how you want it to be. Her job is to be convey the voice of the community. While there have been some people that have complained about the HA changes, there are plenty out there that like the changes.

Also, your topic was about how A-net stopped caring about PvP, but your real beef seems to be that you don't like the HA change and are upset that they haven't changed it back. In case you didn't notice, A-net completely fixed PvP characters to now be equals to any PvE char in a PvP situation. PvP chars can now be changed and customized without being deleted and remade. Even the reduced hex helm is available for PvP characters now. Did you not notice that PvPers are now rewarded with extra faction storage for gaining special achievements now also? Yea, you got it, A-net is completely ignoring PvP.

heroajax1 · Nov 15, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

I agree with yanking the heroes out of HA they really don't belong. There's nothing wrong with HA other than that. A-net is not ignoring the PvP players at all. In fact, I'd argue that A-net is trying to do everything possible to get more players into PvP. They instituted the heroes so rank elitists don't keep snobbing newbs (not noobs) out who want to learn how to PvP. They reduced the 8v8 to 6v6 to 1. make GvG the pinacle of PvP and 2. to make it quicker to get a group formed. I know in the past I've been standing around for 45+ minutes 7/8 trying to find another player. I like the changes to HA. People who are good players are going to continue to win regardless of changes they make. People who aren't, (cough, IWAY, cough) are going to rant and complain. Bottom line.

BTW, I'm rank 6 ... just to avoid all those "you're only PvE" comments that will undoubtably follow my post.

Alleji · Nov 15, 2006, 05:53 PM // 17:53

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Originally Posted by Arcador

The only thing that need fixing is this SF spell, that outplaces ALL fire spells by effect for cost + recharge. Beating a hero+hench team was never been so hard.

Even if SF was overpowered, this is not about skill balance. This thread is about the general situation in current HA.

While I disagree about Searing Flames, skill balancing is important, but only secondary. If your car doesn't run, you worry about it not running first and about having a broken window second.

EinherjarMx · Nov 15, 2006, 05:57 PM // 17:57

happened before, will still happen, just give them some time to work on it, wait for the "skill readjustments" after the end of this season and things will probably change

my guess, paragons and eles are gonna get the nerf bat

Shadowspawn X · Nov 15, 2006, 06:01 PM // 18:01

They need to split the game in half no one plays both parts anymore. Spin off the battle isles and be done with it. PvP'rs wrecks havic with the skills which ruins it for PvE'rs. Then rankless clueless pve'rs post and whine about everything in pvp destroying HA which they dont even play. A PvE toon cant even get a skill point in the arena unless they win a gazillion matches to get 15k XP because they cant use faction, the skill welfare system for pvp'rs. Its over and done with, time to go our seperate ways.

Clone · Nov 15, 2006, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Y O U Lo Se

edit: ppl start talking about rank elitism, which doesnt excist

Rank eliteism doesn't exist? Wow, must be nice to be able to delude yourself like that. Personally, I think the rank system was one of the worst ideas they could have implimented, making many new players far too frustrated by others before they even begin.

I just find it amusing that so many who are quick to berate people who prefer PvE now are crying out so quickly when faced with AI opponents. At any rate, the immature conduct of a fair number of people in the PvP realm left me disinterested in it long ago, so I really don't care.